Q. . . . Would you describe for us, sir, to the best of your recollection, what you heard Bookspan say to Adoff and what you heard Ado ff say to Bookspan?
A. He mentioned that he was having union problems with a particular union.

Q. Who mentioned that?
A. Al Bookspan to Mr. Adoff. And Sol Adoff replied, "well, where have you been? All you have to do is call up All Purpose Chemical Company and order some Poly-Clean and solve your problems."

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Q. Now, did this topic come up again sometime later?
A. Yes, at the very next meeting.

Q. And that was the month later?
A. Yes.

Q. Would you tell us on that occasion what Adoff said to Bookspan and what Bookspan said to Adoff in your presence?
A. Oh, Adoff asked him, "How did that work out with your union problems?" and Bookspan replied, "Boy, it worked like a charm."

I turned to Frank and I said, "You're doing pretty good getting your products in the supermarkets and "-

Q. What did he say?
A. He said, "Yes, I get a little bit here and a little bit there."

Q. What did you say?
A. I said, "That should make Timmy pretty happy."

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Q. Who did you mean? Timmy Murphy?
A. Yes.

Q. And what did Vasfailo reply to that?
A. He said, "That makes Timmy happy, it makes Great Eastern happy because they have no union problems."

Turren also stated that he has seen Murphy at the office of All Purpose Chemical on a number of occasions. They would use this location when they had a meeting together to talk over any problems.

Gilbert McDougald, President of Yankee Maintenance Company, Inc., testified as to his introduction to Poly-Clean. He stated that one day five salesmen came into his office and attempted to convince him to purchase the product. They started to demonstrate with the Poly-Clean by cleaning some of the furniture in the room. McDougald said he was not impressed with their whole approach and asked them in no uncertain terms to leave. Soon after this, he received a call from Sam Leonard, saving that it would be much better to have friends in the business than enemies. Leonard then asked McDougald to go down to the office of All Purpose Chemical to see Timmy Murphy. At that time, McDougald stated he did not know who Timmy Murphy was, but when he met him at that office, Murphy seemed to be very upset. As the witness explained the incident at the hearing:

Well, he was disturbed the way I supposedly treated his five friends, and which were the salesmen that came into my office, and he thought I was rude to them in every way. And I told him, you know, what I thought, it was a rotten approach and if it's a good product you don't need, you know, ninety-nine people up here to sell it to a small maintenance company like mine.

Frank Vasfailo refused to answer all questions asked him.

John Todaro also refused to answer all questions asked of him.

Leonard, in his testimony, said he knew Frank Vasfailo and his association with All Purpose Chemical Company, distributor of Poly-Clean. He said he also knew Thomas Pecora, but denied knowing any business relationship between the two men.

Leonard further testified that he first learned of Pecora's association with Organized Crime through newspaper reports that followed the release of the so-called DeCavalcante and DeCarlo tapes.