Q. I am showing you, if I might, Mr. Nadel, Page K 225 o f Volume VIII, which purports to be a memorandum, an FBI memorandum, covering Samuel Rizzo DeCavalcante and covering a meeting taking place on July the 8th, 1965. Now, I have showed you all these before, have I not?
A. You did.

Q. And in that particular report of the FBI there is described two basically unknown men from the A & P Spotless Window Cleaning Company that met with Mr. DeCavalcante on that date?
A. Yes.

Q. And can you now tell us who those formerly two unidentified men were?
A. No.

Q. Well, were you and your partner, Mr. Ungarten, in a meeting with Mr. DeCavalcante?
A. Yes, we were.

Q. We have gone through this log before and this is what transpired?
A. Yes.

Q. So that, again, when they're describing the two men from A & P Spotless that went to see Mr. DeCavalcante, those two men were you and your partner?
A. Yes.

Q. All right. Fine. And this particular report on K225 is a log of what transpired at that particular meeting, is that correct?
A. Yes.

Q. And you have gone through that, basically, and now recall what went on during that meeting?
A. Yes.

Q. Fine. Now, just leading up to that meeting, Mr. Nadel, I wonder, sir, if I can first of all ask you, how did you first meet Sam DeCavalcante?
A. In the year of 1965, I believe it was the month of May, I received a telephone call over the phone, like I get many other calls, to estimate the cleaning of an office. . . I received a telephone call at my office to estimate the cleaning of an office in Kenilworth.

Q. This was Mr. DeCavalcante's office in Kenilworth?
A. Yes.

Q. His plumbing business?
A. Yes.

Q. How did you happen to receive a call, sir, if you know, to do that cleaning job?
A. I'm assuming that because of my name, A & P Spotless, alphabetically we were listed in the telephone directory as number one, so whoever called us picked the first name. (Note: The call was allegedly made by Harriet Gold, secretary to DeCavalcante.)

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Q. So did you go over and estimate the job, that is estimate how much it would cost to clean up Mr. DeCavalcante 's office?
A. I did.

Q. And how much was it going to cost?
A. I estimated the cleaning cost was $65 per month.

Q. Did you tell that to Mr. DeCavalcante?
A. I told that to Harriet.

Q. All right. Did you then have a conversation with Mr. DeCavalcante about the cleaning?
A. Yes.

Q. All right. Will you tell us what, if any, names he mentioned to you during the course of this conversation?
A. Mr. DeCavalcante mentioned a few labor names related to our business.

Q. Did he mention the name Timmy Murphy? Q. Did he mention the name Nick Caprio, C-A-P-R-I-O?
A. He did.

Q. And did he mention the name Al Palumbo?
A. He did.

Q. That's P-A-L-U-M-B-O?
A. Yes.

Q. Now, Timmy Murphy you now know is connected netted with Local 97, is that correct?
A. Yes.

Q. With whom is Mr. Caprio connected?
A. I believe it's Local 389, building service maintenance.

Q. That's again in your field of endeavor?
A. Yes, it is.

Q. How about Mr. Palumbo?
A. He is connected with Mr. Caprio.

Q. In Local 389?
A. In Local 389.

Q. Indicentally (sic), are those two unions, namely Local 97 and Local 389, the two unions that you do business with in the A & P Spotless?
A. Yes.

Q. All right. So Mr. DeCavalcante mentioned that he knew these men?
A. He did.

Q. What, if anything, did he mention that he might be able to do for you, or how, did he say?
A. If I ever needed a favor he could help me out.

Q. All right. Did he ask you to do anything about the price of the cleaning?
A. He asked me to reduce the price a little bit.

Q. Did you reduce the price?
A. I did.

Q. You reduced it from $65 to what?
A. I reduced it from $65 to $55.

Q. And then did you undertake to clean his office?
A. Yes.

Q. How long were you cleaning his office?
A. Well, till this present date.

Q. All right. Now, Mr. Nadel, let me ask you this: Did there come a time when you had reason to remember Sam DeCavalcante's mentioning of the fact that if you needed a favor you can see him?
A. Yes.

Q. Incidentally, do you know a man named Sam "Red" Leonard?
A. Yes, I do.

Q. All right. Back around this time - I'm talking about around May-April, 1965 were you having some difficulty with Sam Leonard?
A. Yes, I suspected of having some difficulty with him.

Q. All right. Will you, first of all, explain how this whole thing came up between you and Leonard?
A. I was, I was cleaning a job that Sam Leonard was cleaning. He was, he was given a discontinue, and I took the job over.

Q. So, in effect, as far as you know Sam Leonard had reason to believe you had taken a job from him?
A. Yes.

Q. And as far as you thought did you think he was mad at you for that?
A. This is what I suspected.

Q. Now, what happened with respect to some of your jobs that revived this whole thing?
A. I had begun to lose a couple of jobs and I had suspected that [Leonard] was responsible for it. So, remembering Sam DeCavalcante's offer of help whenever you're in trouble, I went to see Sam about this.

Q. And then was your partner with you on that first occasion?
A. I beg pardon?

Q. Your partner was with you that first time?
A. I think so.

Q. And that's the meeting that's been described in the exhibit I just showed you?
A. Yes.

Q. Fine. I f we can get to that, you and your partner went to see Mr. DeCavalcante at his office back on about July the 8th, 1965?
A. Yes.

Q. And just going through the report, sir, you complained to Mr. DeCavalcante that you were losing clients to Sam "Red" Leonard, or at least you thought you were, and Leonard was using Timmy Murphy's name as far as you knew?
A. Yes.

Q. Further, it goes on to say you mentioned to DeCavalcante that Leonard, at least you thought, had taken four Food Fair store clients from you, is that correct?
A. Yes.

Q. You mentioned that these stores, one was in Irvington, one was in Belleville and two were in Newark?
A. Yes.

Q. And, further from this report, then, DeCavalcante told you that he would try and get these clients back for you?
A. Yes, he did.

Q. All right. Then DeCavalcante further stated, did he not, that he could obtain, or that it was a possibility he might be able to get some Shop-Rite stores for you as clients in New Brunswick, New Jersey?
A. Yes, he did say that.

Q. And in Sayreville, New Jersey?
A. Yes.

Q. And then, again, did he also at this meeting tell one of you to get Sam "Red" Leonard on the telephone?
A. Yes.

Q. And did one of you look up his phone number?
A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember which one it was?
A. No.

Q. Just concluding, did DeCavalcante then tell you that you could use his name to protect your business and to gain new clients but that you were not to abuse people while you used his name?
A. Yes.

Q. And did he further tell you that he could protect you, and would protect you, as long as you did right but he would be the first one to come after you if you didn't?BR> A. Yes.

Q. And finally, did he tell you that he would meet with Thomas Pecora, also known as Timmy Murphy, and tell him not to interfere with A & P Spotless any more?
A. Yes.

Q. He told you that?
A. Yes.

Q. So that the FBI reports, then, dated July 14, 1965, which I in effect just read to you, that's fully accurate?
A. Yes.