Policemen were frequent visitors to the Barn. One Hoboken detective was practically a regular.

"You guys gotta make a gambling squad in Hoboken," DeCarlo once told him. "The police commissioner and the chief get everybody together and tell them that there's nobody going to make any gambling raids except the gambling squad, and he tells the gambling squad before you make any raids you let me know.... Now, see, this way we're going to have everything our way.... "

"It will run perfect, if they don't let it ran wild," the detective said. "You gotta have one decent game in the county."

"That's all or. you're going to have the federals in there." One day in 1963, DeCarlo discussed the problem presented by State Police Superintendent Dominick Capello: "Do you know how much Cappy wants?"

"No, how much?" said Louis (Lucky) Percello.

"He wants a thousand dollars for Long Branch and a thousand for Albany [Park]."

"For each town?" said William Rega.

"Yeah, each town," DeCarlo continued. "And for the whole county he wants to make another price."

"Tell him --" Percello started.

DeCarlo interrupted him: "Do you want to hear the rest of the story? June, July, August and September, he wants double."

DeCarlo suggested a solution: "Here's what I figure: Let's move all the offices into Long Branch, and we'll just pay him for Long Branch...."

"If I had my way, I'd give him nothing ... ," Percello said

"We used to pay him fifteen hundred for a crap game – fifteen hundred a month!" DeCarlo said.

"In Bayonne," Rega noted, "we paid him two thousand."

"He's no good," DeCarlo insisted. "He knows every racket guy in the state. We would have been better off with a dumb guy in there."

If the cops couldn't be bought, there were the prosecutors. Anthony (Little Pussy) Russo boasted that he'd bought off Monmouth County prosecutor Vincent Keuper. And Tony Boy Boiardo said of Essex County prosecutor Joseph Lordi, "Jerry Catena [Genovese's successor as head of the 'family'] is close to Lordi. They've gotten together several times."

But Lordi, it turned out, did the mob no favors. During one grand-jury investigation of the underworld, DeCarlo exploded: "I wish Lordi had called me. I'd [have] embarrassed him ... by saying, `I'm the one who OK'd you for the job.'"

If the prosecutors couldn't be bought, there were the judges and the juries. When one small-time mobster was convicted, DeCarlo inquired, "How come they didn't try to make [bribe] one?"

"Make who?"

"On the jury - one of the jurors."

"We had somebody."

"... You should have had two or three," DeCarlo said.

"Don't be cheap. Don't buy just one. Have them buy two or three. So it costs you twenty or thirty thousand."

DeCarlo explained his philosophy of an impartial judiciary to Anthony (Jack Panels) Santoli, whose brother-in-law sought appointment as a county judge:
"Sit down with the guy and tell him you want to do what's right. `We don't want you to deal with eight million guys. You deal with one guy, he'll deal with you, that's all.' If Tony Boy gets a man in trouble, you want to do some business, pay him [to] straighten it out. Say, `What the helll We don't want to put a guy in there who won't take money. We don't want you to do it for nothing, we don't want no favors, we want to pay for whatever favors we get even if we get you the job. The jobs are made to make money with, not just to sit there...'"

And if the judges and jurors couldn't be bought, there were the political bosses. DeCarlo told of going to see David Wilentz, the Democratic leader in Middlesex County:
"I went down myself. There's three guys-I don't know who they are or nothing.... They were breaking into cars at Howard Johnson's. You know, like you go in to eat, they break in your car, and they'd steal stuff out of your car. They got caught on the job.

"I went down to Dave and told him that these guys want to give five Gs so they don't go to the can... .

"He said, `Is this favor for you?'

"I said, 'No, it ain't no favor. They're gonna pay five thousand'

"He said, 'But is it somebody you're interested in?'

"I said, 'No, I don't even know the guys. Why are you asking?'

"He said, `If it was for you, it would be done for nothing. If it's for you, I'll go all the way. But if it ain't for you, I ain't gonna commit murder to do it.'

"I said, `Well, they're willingg to pay five Gs, and I figured somebody could use it.'

"He said, `The hell with the money. I owe you a big favor. I want to do something for you. I don't want money for it.'"